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On 13 March 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Mumbai Airport. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Travel bubble flights

Several flights to and from BOM are currently (October 2021) operated only under the air transport bubble program ^[1], but there does not appear to be agreement regarding the inclusion of these flights in the destination list. I believe we should seek consensus on this question instead of repeatedly adding and removing flights from the list.

WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT does not appear to contain a policy on travel bubble flights. At least some of the flights are operated on a regular schedule and are listed by airlines with no distinction to all other flights, suggesting that they should be included in the list. For instance, United Airlines flight to Newark is listed by the airline as any other flight would be ^[2], and appears to operate consistently every day ^[3]

References

^ https://www.civilaviation.gov.in/en/about-air-transport-bubbles
^ "United Route Map". Retrieved 18 October 2021.
^ "FlightAware". Retrieved 26 October 2021.

Requested move 13 August 2024

It has been proposed in this section that Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj International Airport be renamed and moved to Mumbai International Airport.

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Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj International Airport → Mumbai International Airport – The current title is an extremely long and an uncommon title violating WP:COMMONNAME, WP:CONCISION and WP:NATURALNESS. Wikipedia requires that the official name should not be used (unless it fulfills the criterion at WP:Article titles). If we were to see the usage in news media, "Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj International Airport" gives only 300 hits, "Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport" also gives only 300 hits, while "Mumbai International Airport" gives 10,100 hits and "Mumbai Airport" gives 21,100 hits, showing the prevalence of "Mumbai International Airport" and "Mumbai Airport" in news media, and it thus fulfilling the criterion at WP:COMMONNAME. Besides the current name doesn't even show up in ngrams because of its extremely low usage in published sources. "Mumbai International Airport" is much more natural and recognisable to an average reader, and more readers are likely to search for it. Mumbai Airport is good enough too. PadFoot (talk) 10:26, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Mumbai International Airport: More WP:PRECISE than just Mumbai Airport and consistent with the majority of other international airports. SmittenGalaxy | talk! 03:35, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That will do too. PadFoot (talk) 11:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Mumbai Airport is an ambiguous title. There is this airport, the airport at Juhu, and if we consider the Mumbai metropolitan region, then NMIA. Of this, NMIA will also be an international airport. I support a move to Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport as the most common non-ambiguous title per ngram. It is definitely more common than Mumbai International Airport. Arnav Bhate (talk • contribs) 04:14, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Arnav Bhate and @Fylindfotberserk, per WP:RECOGNIZABILITY, that name would a very bad one, as an average reader will definitely know what "Mumbai International Airport" refers to, but not likely "Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport". Also ngrams are not the only way to see the common name. News coverage is a much better way to see the common name in this case. "Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport" gives only 300 hits on news, while "Mumbai International Airport" gives a much higher figure of 10,100 hits. As a sidenote, "Navi Mumbai International Airport" gives only 300 hits. PadFoot (talk) 11:51, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PadFoot2008: Umm... On similar lines, we should have New York International Airport as the article name, but it is a redirect, while John F. Kennedy International Airport is the article. I'm quite sure that "New York" is much more popular than "John F. Kennedy". Moves like these need a centralised discussion/consensus at WP:AVIATION or atleast WP:INB. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Fylindfotberserk, please see WP:OTHERCONTENT, if one article is incorrect that doesn't we should follow suit and make other similar articles incorrect as well. Besides, that's only a C-Class Article and is not GA. PadFoot (talk) 13:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, this RM is listed on both WikiProjects mentioned under their RM listings. I've still linked to it on the talk pages, regardless. SmittenGalaxy | talk! 06:16, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, it is a bad idea to use ngrams in this case, as what published books use for this airport is hardly going to be beneficial for WP:COMMONNAME, compared to its coverage in news media. PadFoot (talk) 20:03, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport per Arnav Bhate's explanation above. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport or keep status quo as per Arnav Bhate's explanation above. - 2409:408C:918C:D3AA:0:0:39B:A8A4 (talk) 10:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Convinced by Arnav Bhate's reasons. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 22:52, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose : I understand why Padfoot proposed this move but there are discussions and plans for expanding and developing additional airports in the Mumbai Metropolitan Region to accommodate growing air traffic. Referring to "Mumbai International Airport" could be ambiguous. While Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj International Airport (CSMIA) is the primary international airport serving Mumbai, the city has plans for further development in this area.

DangalOh (talk) 03:18, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DangalOh, It is not the common name certainly. And to build a new airport in Mumbai, it would take at least a decade. There are no operational international airports apart from CSMIA as of now in Mumbai. Besides it is certainly the primary topic and pretty clear enough, or else why would it redirect to this page. PadFoot (talk) 12:04, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.civilaviation.gov.in/en/about-air-transport-bubbles

[2] "United Route Map". Retrieved 18 October 2021.

[3] "FlightAware". Retrieved 26 October 2021.

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